What concerns me is that there will always be the group who deliberately ignore no-kids-please policies. The website saying ADULT CONCEPTS, the sign on the door saying NO CHILDREN ALLOWED (THIS MEANS YOU), the fact that there's no way to get a stroller inside without twenty minutes of struggling, the complete lack of kids' concession tickets, the way that security tosses them and their kids into the outside dumpster... it just doesn't register.
Yes, there are adult fans who act up and should probably be introduced to Mr Dumpster as well. And yes, there are kids which aren't air raid sirens 24/7. That's not the point. The point, in a lot of cases, is that people came to an adult-oriented SF convention because they were expecting an environment which was, amongst other things, free of kids. You don't expect to find kids down the pub, you don't expect to find kids in top-class restaurants, you don't expect to find kids at the 9:30pm movie session on a school night, and you don't expect to find kids at cons aimed at serious fans.
It's disconcerting, disruptive, and deleterious to the atmosphere and enjoyment for attendees, even if the kids themselves are perfectly behaved. People now have to curb their language, tone down their behaviour, watch out for small crawling, stumbling, or charging things at ankle and groin level, put away their more risque or delicate costumes, lock the doors on M-, R-, and X-rated viewings, avoid telling some of the more interesting anecdotes on panels, pack up non-child-friendly merchandise, move their other items out of grabbing range, and so on and so forth - all because SOME IDIOT BROUGHT A GODDAMN CHILD.
Kids, y'know... kids are fine. Kids are great. There are pop-culture expos and whatnot that cater for kids. There are creches and childminding services and babysitters and friends and family and fellow fans and a hundred and one ways to be a parent and still attend cons.
Deliberately and gratuitously pissing off 95% of the fandom by dragging a kid along to a non-kid-friendly convention purely for the purposes of getting a convention fix is... well, I won't say "horribly fucking selfish in so many ways" here, because I'm sure there will be someone along shortly to do so.
It does amaze me, though, that there really does seem to be some kind of mental block that all too often falls into place when people have kids they're responsible for (and this doesn't just apply to parents). It's as if they have enough processing room for "Must protect the kid" and "I want", but nothing left over for "How many people are going to hate my guts for doing this". It's as if the mere fact of having a kid absolves them from all other social responsibility to the point where it doesn't even have to be considered in the first place - regardless of whether it's even for the kid's benefit.
Back to the original topic, though - parents and fandom. I agree that it couldn't hurt to raise more awareness of how it's possible to be a parent and stay in fandom (including attending cons). Parenthood and fandom are two things which can easily clash - both can be drains on time, money, and schedules. Simply being in one can partially preclude the other, and when it comes to the crunch, fandom is going to lose out every time.
How have other parent-fans managed to successfully stay in fandom? It might be worth a look to see how people have made the transition, particularly after having their first child. Perhaps there's enough material for a panel on "Fandom vs major life events".
I had a bit of shock when I started going to UK cons.
Oh my goodness, there are kids here! At least a dozen of them! Argh, how annoying this will be. On no, this one's about to ask for a hall costume token, what do I do?!"
That's not sarcasm, only exaggerated a little for explanation purposes. I'm childless and have no clue what to do with kids.
It is, however, amazing how quickly you get used to them.
Turns out they're practically like real people, and even when there's no dedicated kids stream of programming they can participate and enjoy much of the con without being in the way. They even seem to add a certain amount of energy and enthusiasm to it.
It felt really weird returning to Australia. Took a while to realise why the first con back seemed so... quiet, and bit stale.
I guess my point is that while people may not expect to find kids at cons now, it's not a law of nature. It's a choice we collectively make.
I think it is perhaps something that cons should start to take more control of, now that there are more kid-friendly ones around. Make a definite statement one way or the other, rather than leaving the con in that limbo where there are just enough kids around to restrict an adult con, but not enough to really integrate them into things.
Yeah, I recall going to a con down in Melbourne years ago and there were some young boys tearing about the con. I sort of looked at them in a bemused manner and thought -- carry on. Because they weren't all that interested in what was going on at the con, really; they were more interested in playing amongst themselves, and the game room.
Kids will always be able to entertain themselves once they're of a certain age, and below that particular age there ought to be a creche.
I think kids DO belong at conventions, and not because I have any. I don't.
I see all these women at every workplace I've ever been at, and I always ask them what their hobbies are. They say: I USED TO LIKE ... and now they can't, won't, do what they USED to do. It's sad that we lose women fans this way. It sucks. For a bunch of supposedly educated and liberal people, fans can be pretty goddamned narrow-minded sometimes.
If I go to a convention and it's just that wee more expensive so that there can be a creche? Fine! I want to see more parents coming along, and then maybe when their younglings have grown old enough to like SF they'll come of their own volition, tear around like those boys I saw at that con years ago. We'll be all the better for it.
Seconds the love.
We seriously investigated childcare for Conjecture and just didn't have the budget for it. At one point however, someone said we should only have it if the parents paid for it. Someone else (who didn't have to worry about childwrangling) piped in with, "Well, we should make sure that only those people gaming pay for the games room. Or perhaps, if we don't have childcare we could reimburse the parents for those panels they can't attend..." Their point was well taken :) They also get my love. And here's the thing, if lack of childcare means 1-2 adults can't and don't attend a convention then you lose out on that membership money anyway. If they can attend, and their children do too, and thay all have a good time, that means more attendance money for years and even generations to come.
I remember children being involved in the two Xena cons I went to back in 2000 and 2001 in the US. They were *adorable*, they dressed up, they were friendly and they added such a lovely dimension to the con. Especially the toddler in the Centaur costume.
Anyway, just agreeing with you. :) Often listening to children's opinions of certain TV shows can be both enlightening and hilarious. My 8 yr old niece opining on BBC's Merlin is something to behold.
Your primary assumption is flawed - who says that Sf cons are 'Adults Only'? Certainly I've seen some panels marked as such, but never an actual convention. And I'm sure I've seen kids at just about every con I've been to, sometimes maybe only a handful, but they are there.